Curse

kushy · Jan 19, 2015, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by Nayru Forever

I'm tempted to become active now that some of the community is cleaned up.

I'd say a little cleaner. Hopefully an ongoing process.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jan 19, 2015, 10:07 AM // 10:07

i was like: huh? unrightfully banned? i hope that wont happen to me
but i saw people online around me, i heard of guilds and alliances who lost their leader... that was funny (if it really was a legit ban), and me.... i never even touched a bot, only once did i try to use texmod, but didnt trust it, and never touched it again

anyway, its nice they did this, especially for pvp-ers (which i'm not)
and i guess the game can be played normally one day if they keep it up like this

i dont care if people use bots, but i do care about the game itself, and heard of many people leaving cuz of the bots which kinda took over the game, so i hope for those who were bothered by bots to play nicely again

also: anet can see if they rightfully banned people, and many who were banned for no good reason, got their accounts back, some took a long time, but if its really their fault, they can look into it and get you back

i dont say anet always does it right, but barely see anyone banned for no reason at all, i did see some who got banned for no reason getting their account back (saw on facebook and ingame, even someone i know)

we'll see what happens with the 10th anniversary, maybe they are planning something, who knows
i mean, its close to that time, and they banned alot (especially bots).... maybe....

Bristlebane · Jan 19, 2015, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Well, there all my 6 accounts got banned. My crime is using GWMultilaunch to run multiple accounts which I did frequently.

I figured out Anet's masterplan for their Guild Wars 10th Anniversary, having everyone banned by then.

Surge goes pre · Jan 19, 2015, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I still find it hard to believe that just randomly after 5 years of gw multilaunch, anet would start banning for it. Does multilaunch like inject something in the gw client that does something it isn't supposed to? How would anet even know if you use it otherwise? Does anyone know exactly HOW it works?

Side note - perks of playing gw on a mac, I can run 2x clients and I need to do is copy and paste and click twice

legend XIII · Jan 19, 2015, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Well, there all my 6 accounts got banned

multilaunch has never caused a ban try again lel

Nekodesu · Jan 19, 2015, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Well, there all my 6 accounts got banned. My crime is using GWMultilaunch to run multiple accounts which I did frequently.

I figured out Anet's masterplan for their Guild Wars 10th Anniversary, having everyone banned by then.

I use GWMulti launch a lot, that's not why you got banned, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Multi launch don't get you banned. Maybe you don't remember what you did, but you did something.

Title Points R Us · Jan 19, 2015, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Their Ban method picked up something foreign & unknown to them in their sweep. imo right now they are scrambling to find out what it is cause even they don't know. I said it once i'll say it again Anet made mistakes but will they go good for them? Will they do the right thing? We shall see. It depends on their agenda whether or not it affects that or not.

Bristlebane · Jan 19, 2015, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Yes, I did something. I had 4 characters online in same match in Yak's Arena, Shiverpeaks Arena, Shing Jea Arena, and in Kamadan Arena. This was to help someone on Guru to carto those areas.

My entire wealth was some 40 ectos, and at best I had 24 HoM points, none of them PvP related. So whatever I have been doing it clearly gave no wealth or any title progress. Are there any other reason why people would bot other than that? Clearly people would have remembered me better if I had sale threads like selling stacks of armbraces or similar.

I did use GWDressup as well in order to check armor sets I wanted to buy.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 19, 2015, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I don't believe ArenaNet has software detection. Not saying I know for a fact (I could well be wrong) but the common understanding seems to be they can't actually detect illicit (or in GWMultilaunch's case, harmless and common) software, they ban based off of user activity (eg, repetitive paths), trades, chat records, and reports.

Anyways, good call trying to cover your asses for when you appeal to support but I doubt they're gonna run across your Guru posts and I doubt even more that they'd be swayed by your fake indignation if they did.

Bristlebane · Jan 19, 2015, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I will admit one thing,
I too have been thinking people who got banned clearly had done something. And now I hope the people in this post thinking the way I did gets hit in the next wave because they're clearly douches. The difference to me is that I didn't post it, but if that makes me a less douche for just thinking it, well that's on me.

Edit: Ok, to clarify I hope the douches posting about it gets hit in the next wave.

Smoke Nightvogue · Jan 19, 2015, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I wonder if it was the mistake of banning 1000+ JQ botters, the mistake of banning those who exploited the maxed level of Gladiator title, or the mistake of getting rid of light-fingered players who were engaged in match manipulation? What do you think, guys, out of all things mentioned, what's the mistake and where it dwells exactly?

vineseed · Jan 19, 2015, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I don't believe ArenaNet has software detection. Not saying I know for a fact (I could well be wrong) but the common understanding seems to be they can't actually detect illicit (or in GWMultilaunch's case, harmless and common) software, they ban based off of user activity (eg, repetitive paths), trades, chat records, and reports.

When a script is in control of a character, that character will move to X and Y coordinates. When a player interacts with that same character, the character will instead send X, Y and Z coordinates to the game server.

They're capable of seeing any program open after the GW client has been engaged. Much like any other ACS (Anti-Cheat Software) used by other ESports media, they're able to diagnose any dispute by checking the client's event logs. This is why people who had used scripts opted out of running an injection, where you inject the script into the client.

Seriously, people who haven't graduated high school and are too dumb to understand how shit works, just like Title Points R Us aka Flint over here, should probably just keep their mouth(s) shut and let the educated people talk amongst themselves.

tl;dr: anet more than likely didn't make a mistake, also, you're retarded flint

Warrior Bradols · Jan 20, 2015, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I'll just add a bit of info, and don't think I'm defending the cheaters but I joined a party of 8 that was syncing gvg for 5 matches and all 4 of my accounts have been banned for "botting". I can understand getting one banned but not sure why all of them did.

Enchanted Krystal · Jan 20, 2015, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Warrior Bradols

I'll just add a bit of info, and don't think I'm defending the cheaters but I joined a party of 8 that was syncing gvg for 5 matches and all 4 of my accounts have been banned for "botting". I can understand getting one banned but not sure why all of them did.

A lot of people seemed to make the misconception that Anet are completely stupid. They check your IP information, even if you botted from every account you had but not your main account, your main account would also be banned. This is where the "I am innocent I tells ya" is coming from IMO, peeps that botted & then logged into their main acc from the same PC. Can you see the logic?

Title Points R Us · Jan 20, 2015, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Krystal

A lot of people seemed to make the misconception that Anet are completely stupid. They check your IP information, even if you botted from every account you had but not your main account, your main account would also be banned. This is where the "I am innocent I tells ya" is coming from IMO, peeps that botted & then logged into their main acc from the same PC. Can you see the logic?

That's a given tho. If they are that naive they don't understand how that works I for one feel sorry for them. I'm talking about the people that absolutely didn't do anything. Even Bradols imo didn't do anything wrong provided he wasn't continual that is. Otherwise then yes he was syncing. I know a fair bit of people this has happened to & it's not right at all. I just hope Anet figures out where they went wrong & they fix it for them.

Ethos all your doing is showing people how indepth your match manipulation expertise went. Along with your bot knowledge. Every word you type speaks volumes. I'm not an expert no but I know what's right & wrong, How things are done & detected. I also have opinions that I can voice when I please so don't let your hate for me interrupt me again. Always remember you care about me but it's not mutual.

vineseed · Jan 20, 2015, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Title Points R Us

I know what's right & wrong

You wouldn't know between right and wrong if you've lost 17 of 18 accounts due to botting.

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Originally Posted by Title Points R Us

Even Bradols imo didn't do anything wrong provided he wasn't continual that is. Otherwise then yes he was syncing.

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Originally Posted by Warrior Bradols

was syncing gvg for 5 matches

Also, he was continual because he synced 5 matches.
BOOM, education strikes again.

The ban happened. Go file a complaint, if you're truly innocent (because god knows you all must be innocent, right?), then you'll be back to logging 18 hours a day buying Charr Carvings in Presearing with periodic forum breaks to post about how much you don't care for this game.

Warrior Bradols · Jan 20, 2015, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I don't think you aite understand yes I synced 5 games (only 5) on my account I'm not disputing that in anyway I deserve a ban for that. I don't understand banning it for the reason of botting. Also I'm not sure why they would ip ban all account since more then one person might use a computer for the same game. Well that's enough for me hope this helped anyone in the same situation. Good luck and happy gaming.

~ Bradols

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 20, 2015, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Warrior Bradols

I don't understand banning it for the reason of botting.

Semantics, as far as ArenaNet is concerned. Maybe you weren't personally running third party software but you were knowingly benefiting from and partaking in the results. It's not worth the trouble to make a custom ban message for that.

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Originally Posted by Warrior Bradols

Also I'm not sure why they would ip ban all account since more then one person might use a computer for the same game.

Might, but really unlikely, and oh such a convenient and unverifiable excuse to save some accounts. "Oh yes ArenaNet I did bot on all these accounts but this one [your main, let's say] is my brother's account how can you ban him?" No way on earth to verify that and really, if you're concerned your account might be banned because someone on the same computer and same IP bots or might bot then perhaps you shouldn't use the same computer and same IP. It's a moot point here because that's not the case with you.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jan 20, 2015, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Decided to log in and finish my HoM and saw this thread. No ban here. I don't mess around with cheat programs or deal with gold farmers, so I'm not surprised. I am surprised by how empty the game seems. It's completely changed from the last time I logged in... about four years ago.

PS: Thank you, Anet, for finally giving me a full party of heroes!

ACWhammy · Jan 20, 2015, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Yes, I did something. I had 4 characters online in same match in Yak's Arena, Shiverpeaks Arena, Shing Jea Arena, and in Kamadan Arena. This was to help someone on Guru to carto those areas.

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

I will admit one thing,
I too have been thinking people who got banned clearly had done something.

Bristlebane makes a good point - it appears no one is safe from the ban. It seems Arenanet is just blanket banning multiple accounts with very little investigation (how can someone thoroughly investigate 2,120+ accounts as of Jan 16th (reported by Shazbawt) in a matter of a few days?) Answer: they can't. Some accounts are being flagged for the tiniest infraction, or perhaps for no infraction at all.

For example - way back when, people were banned for "pre/post trades." Which is when one person trades someone an item in pre (the prophecies tutorial area), then they accept payment in post. These accounts were being flagged as goldsellers and buyers since oft-times there would be nothing else offered on one side of the trade. Since then, it has become common practice to put a worthless item in trade when receiving something for free because of this.

That's just one example. Suppose someone wants to try out PvP, they go to HA, get a random invite from a team that is match manipulating, then join the team inadvertently. It's almost impossible to join a PvP team and know with 100% certainty that they are not engaged in some form of match manipulation, particularly if the player is new to PvP or to Guild Wars in general.

Or as Warrior Bradols pointed out - how "thorough" is Arenanet at examining individual accounts if they ban for a different violation than the user committed?

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Originally Posted by Warrior Bradols

I don't think you aite understand yes I synced 5 games (only 5) on my account I'm not disputing that in anyway I deserve a ban for that. I don't understand banning it for the reason of botting. Also I'm not sure why they would ip ban all account since more then one person might use a computer for the same game.

It may be unlikely, but it is possible that more than one person logs on to accounts from the same IP. One may be engaged in an illegal activity and the other one is not. But since they are banning the whole IP, that doesn't support Arenanet's statement that they are "thoroughly" investigating individual accounts and proving "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the user was involved in bots or third-party programs as they claim.

It's not good form to pass judgement and make accusations against other players that are being banned. Sure, some of them may be lying, but not all of them are.

My hope is that Arenanet will release official statements regarding what are now considered bannable offenses (i.e. Multilaunch) and if it is safe to play PvP because of all the match manipulation going on.

I am currently awaiting a response from Guild Wars support regarding the legality of Multilaunch. The former Arenanet Community and Content Leader, Emily Diehl has been quoted as stating that Multilaunch and Texmod are ok to use (Massively, May 26th, 2010). But this was many years ago, and it is possible that Arenanets stance has changed without informing the community since then. If this is the case I would find it highly unethical of them to completely terminate accounts for using Multilaunch. While Arenanet may be within their rights to do so, what a great way to reward some of the most dedicated players after all these years (sarcasm.)